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Ouch. This hurts!!!
Octavia ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 14:44) Posted:
On 12 Dec 12,Verghese told Reuters in an interview last week that Olam had sufficient cash and did not expect to tap the debt markets for at least five to six months. But then 4 days later on 16 Dec 12, Monday evening, in a hastily assembled press conference, Olam announced the deal to raise more debt.Isn’t this putting foot in the mouth?Prudent investors would have walked away as truth, trust and confidence have been eroded.
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Olam cum right offer is compicated to me. 
Have anyone workout the ex-right price??
Thanks in advance. 
Enjoy...
u guys are just funny...
buy when ppl don even dare to think of buying..
sell to take profit and run..
it's as simple as this.. why bother to talk about temasek.. muddy water.. singapore..etc
btw, master risktaker, i am out, happy hunting
On 12 Dec 12,Verghese told Reuters in an interview last week that Olam had sufficient cash and did not expect to tap the debt markets for at least five to six months. But then 4 days later on 16 Dec 12, Monday evening, in a hastily assembled press conference, Olam announced the deal to raise more debt.Isn’t this putting foot in the mouth?Prudent investors would have walked away as truth, trust and confidence have been eroded.
 
want to find out more on Olam, go attend tonight briefing at Maxwell Road to see for yourself what to do next.
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skk888, thanks and agreed!

 
skk888 ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:52) Posted:
Interesting to cite the ranking system of this site. I think it seriously needs review - perhaps to rank solely by the number of likes/dislikes one receive on his/her posts. If you see the STI thread, you could see some Supreme (highest ranking) members make even bolder " predictions" every now and then. But sometimes these posts are really entertaining.
Richardus ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:46) Posted:
According to this website, " The higher the rank of a member, the more prestige, recognition and respect you gain from other ShareJunction users" . Peter_Pan  given you are a veteren, I think that you should have practice responsibility in your comments. You said, " I share what I observed" yet your comment is not even remotely an observation, ie  Downtrend to continue after players locked in their profits
Sounds more like you were sharing a bold prediction, without any additional supporting information might I add . If a member of this forum had respect for you, and made a trade decision based on your comments, they could have been trapped. I decided to step, especially taking notice of you, so as to balance out the discussion to provide a clearer picture for everyone to benefit |
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You might as well let everyone here know your real identity, why hide behind the computer and use a nickname? As if I care for the ranking. You are indeed a very critical person.
Richardus ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:46) Posted:
According to this website, " The higher the rank of a member, the more prestige, recognition and respect you gain from other ShareJunction users" . Peter_Pan  given you are a veteren, I think that you should have practice responsibility in your comments. You said, " I share what I observed" yet your comment is not even remotely an observation, ie  Downtrend to continue after players locked in their profits
Sounds more like you were sharing a bold prediction, without any additional supporting information might I add . If a member of this forum had respect for you, and made a trade decision based on your comments, they could have been trapped. I decided to step, especially taking notice of you, so as to balance out the discussion to provide a clearer picture for everyone to benefit.
Peter_Pan ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 12:43) Posted:
Dear Richardus,
I share what I observed. Is up to you to decide for yourself. Why be so critical of people's comments..
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Do you think those that you thought is supporting really will stay united as you say? Not because of personal motive? lol
tonylim ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:35) Posted:
This guy MUDDY is throwing mud at Singapore.  So, we should al   stay united and don't act like those deserting shortists.  Just stay invested and dont chicken out. 
Octavia ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:07) Posted:
I don't think Muddy Waters is doing this for purely altruistic reasons. Neither are they a modern day Robin Hood. They're making a living out of this. This is precisely their job. But then again, this is a good wake up call for Olam and its investors. It could have been worse. If I may ask, who dare to say Olam would not have gone bust by now if Temasek haven't came in. The fact that Temasek did, and thus, the credibility of Olam has indeed become muddied.Investing should not be about hoping for some white knights arrival but about confidence in the issuer's stability without any external help.Temasek could be viewed as protecting Singapore Inc in a wider context.If SGX’s reputation is affected due to accounting & listing practice then it will affect us also since we invest in SGX.
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Interesting to cite the ranking system of this site. I think it seriously needs review - perhaps to rank solely by the number of likes/dislikes one receive on his/her posts. If you see the STI thread, you could see some Supreme (highest ranking) members make even bolder " predictions" every now and then. But sometimes these posts are really entertaining.
Richardus ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:46) Posted:
According to this website, " The higher the rank of a member, the more prestige, recognition and respect you gain from other ShareJunction users" . Peter_Pan  given you are a veteren, I think that you should have practice responsibility in your comments. You said, " I share what I observed" yet your comment is not even remotely an observation, ie  Downtrend to continue after players locked in their profits
Sounds more like you were sharing a bold prediction, without any additional supporting information might I add . If a member of this forum had respect for you, and made a trade decision based on your comments, they could have been trapped. I decided to step, especially taking notice of you, so as to balance out the discussion to provide a clearer picture for everyone to benefit.
Peter_Pan ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 12:43) Posted:
Dear Richardus,
I share what I observed. Is up to you to decide for yourself. Why be so critical of people's comments..
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According to this website, " The higher the rank of a member, the more prestige, recognition and respect you gain from other ShareJunction users" . Peter_Pan  given you are a veteren, I think that you should have practice responsibility in your comments. You said, " I share what I observed" yet your comment is not even remotely an observation, ie  Downtrend to continue after players locked in their profitsSounds more like you were sharing a bold prediction, without any additional supporting information might I add . If a member of this forum had respect for you, and made a trade decision based on your comments, they could have been trapped. I decided to step, especially taking notice of you, so as to balance out the discussion to provide a clearer picture for everyone to benefit.
Peter_Pan ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 12:43) Posted:
Dear Richardus,
I share what I observed. Is up to you to decide for yourself. Why be so critical of people's comments..
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According to MW, the latest bonds issuance will extend Olam's life span for a few more months only, and Olam would have bankrupt without it. MW also claimed that it did not change its view on Olam unless Olam were to raise another 3 billions- simply put, this bonds issuance is deemed to insignficant by MW. If you really believe in what MW has claimed so far, you should keep your short position for another 1 year or so.
Secondly, Temasek simply agree to be be an underwriter  for the latest issuance but  has yet to  provide any significant  help to  Olam. There might not even be a need for Temasek to underwrite anything if every shareholder takes up his right.
Finally, when  one attack a company, he can expect retailation from its shareholders. This is especially the case for firms with  powerful and influential shareholders. For MW's case, apparently  it did not put in sufficient effort in their game theory analysis when it claimed that Olam will go bankrupt. This goes to say something about MW's so called comprehensive study on Olam and MW's foresight.
 
 
Octavia ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:07) Posted:
I don't think Muddy Waters is doing this for purely altruistic reasons. Neither are they a modern day Robin Hood. They're making a living out of this. This is precisely their job. But then again, this is a good wake up call for Olam and its investors. It could have been worse. If I may ask, who dare to say Olam would not have gone bust by now if Temasek haven't came in. The fact that Temasek did, and thus, the credibility of Olam has indeed become muddied.Investing should not be about hoping for some white knights arrival but about confidence in the issuer's stability without any external help.Temasek could be viewed as protecting Singapore Inc in a wider context.If SGX’s reputation is affected due to accounting & listing practice then it will affect us also since we invest in SGX.
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Agree. This is one the reasons why I have been supporting Olam. I understand that there should  be no room for sentiment in the stock market. I can only say that I am a Singaporean.
tonylim ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:35) Posted:
This guy MUDDY is throwing mud at Singapore.  So, we should al   stay united and don't act like those deserting shortists.  Just stay invested and dont chicken out. 
Octavia ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:07) Posted:
I don't think Muddy Waters is doing this for purely altruistic reasons. Neither are they a modern day Robin Hood. They're making a living out of this. This is precisely their job. But then again, this is a good wake up call for Olam and its investors. It could have been worse. If I may ask, who dare to say Olam would not have gone bust by now if Temasek haven't came in. The fact that Temasek did, and thus, the credibility of Olam has indeed become muddied.Investing should not be about hoping for some white knights arrival but about confidence in the issuer's stability without any external help.Temasek could be viewed as protecting Singapore Inc in a wider context.If SGX’s reputation is affected due to accounting & listing practice then it will affect us also since we invest in SGX.
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Without Temasek’s support, Olam ‘may’ go bust. However, in my view, it is inappropriate to say that it ‘will’ go bust in the absence of Temasek’s support. First, although it is true that banks may not continue to support Olam if the bond yields continue to rise, one would be naïve to assume that without Temasek’s support, no shareholders will subscribe to the rights issue of bonds. As a shareholder, I find the rights issue very attractive and I will certainly take it up and I do not believe that I am the only shareholder that holds this view. Indeed, KC group, which is the largest shareholder of Olam, is also taking up the rights issue. Second, although the rapid expansion over the last few years has caused Olam to incur a high level of debt, it has also enabled it to build up a huge portfolio of assets. Unless you assume that all the assets are worthless, there is the option of raising funds through divestment. Although this may lead to a fall in its profitability, going bust is a different thing altogether.
Octavia ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:07) Posted:
I don't think Muddy Waters is doing this for purely altruistic reasons. Neither are they a modern day Robin Hood. They're making a living out of this. This is precisely their job. But then again, this is a good wake up call for Olam and its investors. It could have been worse. If I may ask, who dare to say Olam would not have gone bust by now if Temasek haven't came in. The fact that Temasek did, and thus, the credibility of Olam has indeed become muddied.Investing should not be about hoping for some white knights arrival but about confidence in the issuer's stability without any external help.Temasek could be viewed as protecting Singapore Inc in a wider context.If SGX’s reputation is affected due to accounting & listing practice then it will affect us also since we invest in SGX.
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This guy MUDDY is throwing mud at Singapore.  So, we should al   stay united and don't act like those deserting shortists.  Just stay invested and dont chicken out. 
Octavia ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 13:07) Posted:
I don't think Muddy Waters is doing this for purely altruistic reasons. Neither are they a modern day Robin Hood. They're making a living out of this. This is precisely their job. But then again, this is a good wake up call for Olam and its investors. It could have been worse. If I may ask, who dare to say Olam would not have gone bust by now if Temasek haven't came in. The fact that Temasek did, and thus, the credibility of Olam has indeed become muddied.Investing should not be about hoping for some white knights arrival but about confidence in the issuer's stability without any external help.Temasek could be viewed as protecting Singapore Inc in a wider context.If SGX’s reputation is affected due to accounting & listing practice then it will affect us also since we invest in SGX.
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I don't think Muddy Waters is doing this for purely altruistic reasons. Neither are they a modern day Robin Hood. They're making a living out of this. This is precisely their job. But then again, this is a good wake up call for Olam and its investors. It could have been worse. If I may ask, who dare to say Olam would not have gone bust by now if Temasek haven't came in. The fact that Temasek did, and thus, the credibility of Olam has indeed become muddied.Investing should not be about hoping for some white knights arrival but about confidence in the issuer's stability without any external help.Temasek could be viewed as protecting Singapore Inc in a wider context.If SGX’s reputation is affected due to accounting & listing practice then it will affect us also since we invest in SGX.
 
Yah, Huat for everyone! Cheers!
halleluyah ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 12:55) Posted:
All the best to u lah. Huat fr everyone in Olam tis coming X'mas.
Peter_Pan ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 12:36) Posted:
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Yes, you are right.
tonylim ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 12:53) Posted:
I think it is situational judgement.  Now Temasek is speaking openly in support of Olam, the bet is for it to go up in the long run.  With second round of purchase by Temasek, I think it shoud move up again from the current level
Peter_Pan ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 12:43) Posted:
Dear Richardus,
I share what I observed. Is up to you to decide for yourself. Why be so critical of people's comments..
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All the best to u lah. Huat fr everyone in Olam tis coming X'mas.
Peter_Pan ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 12:36) Posted:
Of course ok.
halleluyah ( Date: 20-Dec-2012 11:51) Posted:
Hei bro, u ok boh? When it was 1.3x... u dun even long some n still hoping fr 1.215. U vry weird leh. At least go in part by part earlier on like bro counter n others lah.  |
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Temasek needs 2 more % to overtake Sunny as
the major shareholder.