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Price  will only shoot up  when there are lots of buyers and few sellers eg SC Global since the  general offer  announcement. In Olam's case, the shares transacted in last five weeks to 21 Dec averaged 49.3m daily, compared with 4.2m in SC Global since 6 Dec.

derekchong      ( Date: 27-Dec-2012 11:18) Posted: very disappointed. waiting anxiously to see the short squeeze .

 

I think MW has already covered when he delivered the speech and Olam price tanked like crazy.

Guessing only,no proof at all.

skk888      ( Date: 27-Dec-2012 11:13) Posted: I think so too. It has been quiet since they announced the ex-rights date. And the volume that past couple of days summed up to few hundred million shares. Even if they did not cover, big shorts have already closed their positions... gavinl      ( Date: 27-Dec-2012 11:09) Posted: Think MW had covered back his shorts. Anyone got any views?

 

very disappointed. waiting anxiously to see

the short squeeze .

 

I think so too. It has been quiet since they announced the ex-rights date. And the volume that past couple of days summed up to few hundred million shares. Even if they did not cover, big shorts have already closed their positions...

gavinl      ( Date: 27-Dec-2012 11:09) Posted: Think MW had covered back his shorts. Anyone got any views?

 

Think MW had covered back his shorts.

Anyone got any views?

 

I don't know what you mean but I take it as a compliment. Thank you.

 

I just trying to say that, many people try to justify or show the neutrality of their view by showing there is no conflict of interest...

But you are doing the other way round... which is SPECIAL... good one..

btw, i'm just tok kok here... i don't have money to buy or sell OLAM, and i don't know how to short as well...

 

counter      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:30) Posted: Awesome  one... There are also a lot of people who shorted  the share and then wrote a lot of bad things and claimed the company  was fundamentally bad... The next day, they changed their position from short to long  and started writing good  things  about the company ... So that in the next year... they in and out the same stock for countless times... this is NOT those who believe the company is fundamentally flawed... The more important question is have one made a profit out of the MW/Olam saga. alooloo      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:24) Posted: Good one... There are lot of people who bought the share and then wrote lot of good thing and claim the company is fundamentally good... The next day, they sold the share and start to wrote about the company ... So that in the next year... they in and out the same stock for countless times...   this is NOT those who believe in the company fundamental DOES...

 

Some smart bros here are already sitting on a sizable profit. They bought into olam at $1.4+ when you were still criticising olam. Short squeeze is only a bonus to them now.
Please do not be silly like the german guy.

 

Wonder you heard about one German Billionaire committed suicide by throwing himself against an on-coming train because he had lost a lot of money in 2009 about a wrong bet on VW during a short squeeze (I think it's more than money, that German Billionaire lost his pride) (read here http://gawker.com/5124449/ruined-after-betting-on-volkswagen-stock-german-billionaire-commits-suicide).

Coming back to Olam,Muddy Waters has declared openly that it has shorted the shares of Olam. If there is nothing really wrong with Olam, Muddy Waters stands to lose big time, in particular, Carson Block would have lost his pants and more, if there is a short squeeze.So, why hasn't a short squeeze occurred, yet?

You have to think deep to find the answer. Or, do you (have to)?

 

same same :)

counter      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:57) Posted: Dear Octavia, You look much better in the picture than I thought.

 

Dear Octavia,

You look much better in the picture than I thought.

 

counter      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:30) Posted: Awesome  one... There are also a lot of people who shorted  the share and then wrote a lot of bad things and claimed the company  was fundamentally bad... The next day, they changed their position from short to long  and started writing good  things  about the company ... So that in the next year... they in and out the same stock for countless times... this is NOT those who believe the company is fundamentally flawed... The more important question is have one made a profit out of the MW/Olam saga. alooloo      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:24) Posted: Good one... There are lot of people who bought the share and then wrote lot of good thing and claim the company is fundamentally good... The next day, they sold the share and start to wrote about the company ... So that in the next year... they in and out the same stock for countless times...   this is NOT those who believe in the company fundamental DOES...

 

Awesome  one...

There are also a lot of people who shorted  the share and then wrote a lot of bad things and claimed the company  was fundamentally bad...

The next day, they changed their position from short to long  and started writing good  things  about the company ...

So that in the next year... they in and out the same stock for countless times...



this is NOT those who believe the company is fundamentally flawed...

The more important question is have one made a profit out of the MW/Olam saga.

alooloo      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:24) Posted: Good one... There are lot of people who bought the share and then wrote lot of good thing and claim the company is fundamentally good... The next day, they sold the share and start to wrote about the company ... So that in the next year... they in and out the same stock for countless times...   this is NOT those who believe in the company fundamental DOES... counter      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:11) Posted: May be next year this time, I may have gone in and out of Olam another 5 times. May be next year this time, you and I may not longer be around. Although  I am not sure what will  happen next year this time, there is one thing that  I am very sure,  and that is  'words' alone in the equity market  will not take one  anywhere

 

Good one...

There are lot of people who bought the share and then wrote lot of good thing and claim the company is fundamentally good...

The next day, they sold the share and start to wrote about the company ...

So that in the next year... they in and out the same stock for countless times...

 

this is NOT those who believe in the company fundamental DOES...

counter      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:11) Posted: May be next year this time, I may have gone in and out of Olam another 5 times. May be next year this time, you and I may not longer be around. Although  I am not sure what will  happen next year this time, there is one thing that  I am very sure,  and that is  'words' alone in the equity market  will not take one  anywhere. alooloo      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:02) Posted: Time will tell....  most people can't hold stock more than 1 - 3 months... May be next year this time you come and tell us if you still holding this 600lots of shares with good fundamentals...

 

Good point.

I will put my money in the counter that I think will bring me more profit in the short term, if not in the long term. For the time being, I emphasise 'for the time being',  I find olam a better bet.

Octavia      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:09) Posted: Wilmar just paid off about US$571 million of Bonds on 18 Dec 2012. One company just paid off its debt (that means it has money) while the other company, i.e., Olam, keeps asking for money or keeps borrowing money. On which company would you rather risk your money?

 

May be next year this time, I may have gone in and out of Olam another 5 times. May be next year this time, you and I may not longer be around.

Although  I am not sure what will  happen next year this time, there is one thing that  I am very sure,  and that is  'words' alone in the equity market  will not take one  anywhere.

alooloo      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 15:02) Posted: Time will tell....  most people can't hold stock more than 1 - 3 months... May be next year this time you come and tell us if you still holding this 600lots of shares with good fundamentals... counter      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 13:40) Posted: Since the collapse of Lehman Brothers in Sep 2008, I have been in and out of Olam no less than 15 times. As of today, my total profit on Olam, including the latest unrealised profit, is not much less than my current total shareholding of Olam. You may want to consider saying “Everyone else who got involved in this co lost money.” in future. Further, although I know of people who have lost money in this counter, I also know of people who have made profit in this counter. In my view, Olam is a good company with great prospects. I have done my research and I think that Olam has good fundamentals. However, like any other good companies, it is not without its shortcomings. In addition, it has its fair share of critics, some presenting a more balanced view, but some has never made a positive comment on it. Although Olam has good fundamentals, I am not really a staunch supporter of it. To me, Olam is simply one of the counters that I trade to make a profit. Fundamentals are an important factor to consider in the equity market. However, investment philosophy and investment strategy are no less important. Any shrewd investor should know that. Although Olam has good fundamentals, I would not have made the same amount of profit in the equity market if I had I traded simply on the basis of fundamentals. That being said, fundamentals are important, although they are subjective to some extent. As much as you salute me for entering into Olam, I salute you for spending time researching a company in which you don’t have a position.

 

Wilmar just paid off about US$571 million of Bonds on 18 Dec 2012.

One company just paid off its debt (that means it has money) while the other company, i.e., Olam, keeps asking for money or keeps borrowing money.

On which company would you rather risk your money?

 

 

Time will tell.... 

most people can't hold stock more than 1 - 3 months...

May be next year this time you come and tell us if you still holding this 600lots of shares with good fundamentals...

counter      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 13:40) Posted: Since the collapse of Lehman Brothers in Sep 2008, I have been in and out of Olam no less than 15 times. As of today, my total profit on Olam, including the latest unrealised profit, is not much less than my current total shareholding of Olam. You may want to consider saying “Everyone else who got involved in this co lost money.” in future. Further, although I know of people who have lost money in this counter, I also know of people who have made profit in this counter. In my view, Olam is a good company with great prospects. I have done my research and I think that Olam has good fundamentals. However, like any other good companies, it is not without its shortcomings. In addition, it has its fair share of critics, some presenting a more balanced view, but some has never made a positive comment on it. Although Olam has good fundamentals, I am not really a staunch supporter of it. To me, Olam is simply one of the counters that I trade to make a profit. Fundamentals are an important factor to consider in the equity market. However, investment philosophy and investment strategy are no less important. Any shrewd investor should know that. Although Olam has good fundamentals, I would not have made the same amount of profit in the equity market if I had I traded simply on the basis of fundamentals. That being said, fundamentals are important, although they are subjective to some extent. As much as you salute me for entering into Olam, I salute you for spending time researching a company in which you don’t have a position. Obfuscate      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 10:57) Posted: Flat. I dont invest in equities, which requires  detailed research of individual cos. I only dabble  derivatives such as  futures. If you entered into the Olam trade just recently, I gotta salute you. Everyone else who got involved in this co lost money.

 

Since the collapse of Lehman Brothers in Sep 2008, I have been in and out of Olam no less than 15 times. As of today, my total profit on Olam, including the latest unrealised profit, is not much less than my current total shareholding of Olam. You may want to consider saying “Everyone else who got involved in this co lost money.” in future. Further, although I know of people who have lost money in this counter, I also know of people who have made profit in this counter.

In my view, Olam is a good company with great prospects. I have done my research and I think that Olam has good fundamentals. However, like any other good companies, it is not without its shortcomings. In addition, it has its fair share of critics, some presenting a more balanced view, but some has never made a positive comment on it. Although Olam has good fundamentals, I am not really a staunch supporter of it. To me, Olam is simply one of the counters that I trade to make a profit.

Fundamentals are an important factor to consider in the equity market. However, investment philosophy and investment strategy are no less important. Any shrewd investor should know that. Although Olam has good fundamentals, I would not have made the same amount of profit in the equity market if I had I traded simply on the basis of fundamentals. That being said, fundamentals are important, although they are subjective to some extent.

As much as you salute me for entering into Olam, I salute you for spending time researching a company in which you don’t have a position.

Obfuscate      ( Date: 26-Dec-2012 10:57) Posted: Flat. I dont invest in equities, which requires  detailed research of individual cos. I only dabble  derivatives such as  futures. If you entered into the Olam trade just recently, I gotta salute you. Everyone else who got involved in this co lost money.

 

still no sign of short squeeze or Temasek buying.