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Laulan
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07-Jan-2009 16:28     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Put it this way: Corporate takeover is like buying a ready made company with the goodwill of being a listed company.  Basically if it is cheap, buyers will definitely legally dismantle the assets and make money out of it. $2 million in, $4 million out.  So many directors make it a point to enhance their capitalization to avoid being taken over which is something no director would want because sometimes it is blood and sweat for many years.
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keepnosecrets
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07-Jan-2009 14:34     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Yes can look at it this way. Also there is a chance where Predator (Coy A) is doing similar business and want to acquire some of Coy B's clients and contacts or even researches (goodwill) eg. that of Biosensors' research into how to prevent clots in arteries of heart patients, etc. Another possibility is to benefit from the takeover since a public listed company have more facilities to raise funds (money) for usage (free or otherwise..laughs). Furthermore can add to one's additional income in the form of director fees coming from the Coy B.

senecus      ( Date: 07-Jan-2009 14:08) Posted:

Let's share......if coy A is taking over coy B...coy B must be in a lucrative position to coy A...eg, liquidable assets, notable reputation, huge market monopolization and etc...else...coy A can jolly well...wait for coy B to wind up and take over its market share...without spending a penny...?...
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07-Jan-2009 14:08     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Let's share......if coy A is taking over coy B...coy B must be in a lucrative position to coy A...eg, liquidable assets, notable reputation, huge market monopolization and etc...else...coy A can jolly well...wait for coy B to wind up and take over its market share...without spending a penny...?...
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cathylmg
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07-Jan-2009 13:12     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Thanks for the tip. :)

Laulan      ( Date: 07-Jan-2009 10:43) Posted:

Next week you can see strong movements in penny stocks because the heavy weights after next week should be taking a breather.

cathylmg      ( Date: 06-Jan-2009 15:32) Posted:

Wah like not so difficult after all. Anyway would like to see all those penny stock buck up else kenna takeover then no game for the directors already.
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Laulan
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07-Jan-2009 10:43     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Next week you can see strong movements in penny stocks because the heavy weights after next week should be taking a breather.

cathylmg      ( Date: 06-Jan-2009 15:32) Posted:

Wah like not so difficult after all. Anyway would like to see all those penny stock buck up else kenna takeover then no game for the directors already.
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keepnosecrets
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07-Jan-2009 08:56     
 
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I can add another example.  What about firstlinks?

30 percent of issued shares = 147,693,432 shares

Lowest 2 cents traded equivalent takeover money needed: Min $2.9 Million.

If can trade the shares down to 1 cent then your takeover money is only $1.45 million approx.

This shows there is quite a good opportunity around us.

TAKEOVER POTENTIALS ALL OVER!!

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Laulan      ( Date: 06-Jan-2009 15:29) Posted:

Not necessary to be very rich.  Rich can already.  Let me give you two examples.  First lets take a lottery operator like Ban Joo:

Issued shares: 1,168,883,911 shares.   Price 1 ct.  100% capital = $11,688,839.11

30% = app $3.49 Million.  to takeover

CarrierNet Global 

Issued shares: 950,060,241 shares Price: 1 ct 100% capital= $9,500,602.10

30% = app $2.85 Million to takeover

There are many other penny stocks with similar low capital takeover possiblitiy.

So what about mid caps like Biosensors, etc.  Just look up.  If 30 percent of the market capitalization is the maximum, then many of these companies will soon fall prey if their prices don't move up.



tanglinboy      ( Date: 04-Jan-2009 21:35) Posted:



Wah... the fella must be very rich to be planning to take over a listed company.

But he still needs to get elected to become director right? Shareholder and director is two different thing. 
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Laulan
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06-Jan-2009 15:59     
 
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We definitely will see many takeovers soon. Where can you get a listed company/companies for a song?  It is available in Singapore! The penny stocks directors cannot do much.  It is the predator that is going to buy and buy.  There are plenty of people with few million dollars waiting, and coming.  This is not just hypothetical.  It is going to be real!
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keepnosecrets
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06-Jan-2009 15:46     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Sorry, first beneficiary the shareholders, then the banks.  But banks first sense it, that is why finance stocks have risen.

keepnosecrets      ( Date: 06-Jan-2009 15:44) Posted:

I also thought likewise.  Takeovers first beneficiaries are banks.  That is why I bought some bank shares.
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 Alert Admin 		I also thought likewise.  Takeovers first beneficiaries are banks.  That is why I bought some bank shares.
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cathylmg
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06-Jan-2009 15:32     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Wah like not so difficult after all. Anyway would like to see all those penny stock buck up else kenna takeover then no game for the directors already.
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Laulan
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Not necessary to be very rich.  Rich can already.  Let me give you two examples.  First lets take a lottery operator like Ban Joo:

Issued shares: 1,168,883,911 shares.   Price 1 ct.  100% capital = $11,688,839.11

30% = app $3.49 Million.  to takeover

CarrierNet Global 

Issued shares: 950,060,241 shares Price: 1 ct 100% capital= $9,500,602.10

30% = app $2.85 Million to takeover

There are many other penny stocks with similar low capital takeover possiblitiy.

So what about mid caps like Biosensors, etc.  Just look up.  If 30 percent of the market capitalization is the maximum, then many of these companies will soon fall prey if their prices don't move up.



tanglinboy      ( Date: 04-Jan-2009 21:35) Posted:



Wah... the fella must be very rich to be planning to take over a listed company.

But he still needs to get elected to become director right? Shareholder and director is two different thing. 
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Wah... the fella must be very rich to be planning to take over a listed company.

But he still needs to get elected to become director right? Shareholder and director is two different thing. 
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02-Jan-2009 16:34     
 
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 Alert Admin 		wa, that extra 1 % has higher value than other shares leh. But I don't know how to calculate haha. Anyway, I think u need to win hearts and minds. Hostile takeovers no good unless u have a v strong management team to take over. 

Laulan      ( Date: 02-Jan-2009 16:14) Posted:

My friend said in listed company, shares are in so many people's hands.  So need not buy until more than 49 percent.  Just according to take over code will do. Is it advisable to buy extra 1%?

teeth53      ( Date: 02-Jan-2009 14:06) Posted:

Know of the products inside out, that interest him or her and not any how go in and how to turn it around to profit within six months or within 12 months, err...bad time six months cannot made money, then again more money is need to sink and pop up a sinking companies, got money keep it warm in ur hand. What is the minimum % of the stock to own to enable him to comtemplate going into the company for control? Above 30% to take control unless other wise stated by takeove code term, prefer a 50% plus 1,000 share.


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Laulan
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02-Jan-2009 16:14     
 
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 Alert Admin 		My friend said in listed company, shares are in so many people's hands.  So need not buy until more than 49 percent.  Just according to take over code will do. Is it advisable to buy extra 1%?

teeth53      ( Date: 02-Jan-2009 14:06) Posted:

Know of the products inside out, that interest him or her and not any how go in and how to turn it around to profit within six months or within 12 months, err...bad time six months cannot made money, then again more money is need to sink and pop up a sinking companies, got money keep it warm in ur hand. What is the minimum % of the stock to own to enable him to comtemplate going into the company for control? Above 30% to take control unless other wise stated by takeove code term, prefer a 50% plus 1,000 share.

Laulan      ( Date: 01-Jan-2009 10:12) Posted:



A friend of mine was asking me how he could go about to take over a listed company.  There are so many cheap counters and this is quite tempting for cash rich people like him.  But his knowledge of the market is not so good.  He wants a business he himself can run/manage/control. What is the minimum % of the stock to own to enable him to comtemplate going into the company for control?

Thanks.
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keepnosecrets
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02-Jan-2009 16:01     
 
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 Alert Admin 		It is a great book about the greatest takeover in Wall Street.  Yes, we are quite in similar situation where companies are going for best bargains.

SupremeA      ( Date: 02-Jan-2009 14:24) Posted:

Hey, read Barbarians at the Gate. Something similar to this situation i think. Just skimmed thru, may be wrong

Laulan      ( Date: 02-Jan-2009 09:21) Posted:

Is it? If no minimum is required then we cannot force anybody to give way to us to run the business.  They will say they have more shares, more votes.

If no minimum is required then you and me and a few friends can "gang" up and target one or many companies to take over management.  Can consider this say 10 of us?  Pick a cheap company.  We are not going to strip the co of assets, but we can run/manage the firm/s for everybody's good. Do you think we can generate some good interests among fellow forumers to join force?
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 Alert Admin 		Hey, read Barbarians at the Gate. Something similar to this situation i think. Just skimmed thru, may be wrong

Laulan      ( Date: 02-Jan-2009 09:21) Posted:

Is it? If no minimum is required then we cannot force anybody to give way to us to run the business.  They will say they have more shares, more votes.

If no minimum is required then you and me and a few friends can "gang" up and target one or many companies to take over management.  Can consider this say 10 of us?  Pick a cheap company.  We are not going to strip the co of assets, but we can run/manage the firm/s for everybody's good. Do you think we can generate some good interests among fellow forumers to join force?



samuel_ng      ( Date: 01-Jan-2009 14:41) Posted:

There is no minimum %. You just have to know the people presently run/manage/control and talk to them. If you do not know anybody, you cannot do anything no matter how cash rich you are. Your friends will drift further and further away from you..
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 Alert Admin 		Know of the products inside out, that interest him or her and not any how go in and how to turn it around to profit within six months or within 12 months, err...bad time six months cannot made money, then again more money is need to sink and pop up a sinking companies, got money keep it warm in ur hand. What is the minimum % of the stock to own to enable him to comtemplate going into the company for control? Above 30% to take control unless other wise stated by takeove code term, prefer a 50% plus 1,000 share.

Laulan      ( Date: 01-Jan-2009 10:12) Posted:



A friend of mine was asking me how he could go about to take over a listed company.  There are so many cheap counters and this is quite tempting for cash rich people like him.  But his knowledge of the market is not so good.  He wants a business he himself can run/manage/control. What is the minimum % of the stock to own to enable him to comtemplate going into the company for control?

Thanks.
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02-Jan-2009 12:43     
 
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Hi Lan, your friend is probably correct.  Just offhand screening through the 1 cent of half cent counters, a 30 percent stake is only SGD 1.4 million at half ct, or S$2.8 million at 1 cent.

Of course it all depends on how you use/manipulate your S$2 million.

There are a few counters for easy prey now.

 
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Laulan
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02-Jan-2009 12:17     
 
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Hi guys, thanks very much for your replies. Anyway my friend is real serious to taking over a listed company at recent day's prices.  He told me this is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

He made a rough calculation and told me that you don't need much money to do it.  If you have about $2 million better still. 

I don't know if his calculation is correct.  If true, then a lot of speculators have this kind of money.
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Well in a friendly offer, there is no need to have any definite percentage of the stock holdings.  What Samuel Ng said was true.  You need friendship with the existing people who runs the company.  However in a situation of rivalry, where you wanted to enter the listed company and the people tried to block you, then the minimum stock holdings you should have is about 30%.  There is a code of merger and takeroves which have some rules but they are not a statutory type of rules, mainly ethical and commercial good conduct rules.

Here is the code:

http://www.mas.gov.sg/resource/sic/The_Singapore_Code_on_Take_Overs_and_Mergers_1_April_2007.pdf

When you have about 30 percent, you can try phoning up the management and see what they say.  If they know you are loaded, they might welcome you to join them.

In a rivalry situation, you probably have to use lawyers who are well versed with commercial affairs.  Not all lawyers know how to do takeovers.

 
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